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What rules should govern leaders? Use text evidence to support ideas.

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Post by Rishi Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:23 am

A leader can only be effective if he/she is desired by the people being led. This can only occur if the leader is not an "all -powerful" being without any checks and balances against personal vendettas and personal opinions. There must be some kind of restrictions on a leader. These restrictions must come from the people themselves. As Machiavelli states, everything a leader does, must be for the people; including many bad things. "A prince, so long as he keeps his subjects united and loyal, ought not to mind the reproach of cruelty" (Machiavelli 1). In order for this statement to be carried out effectively, a leader must have a set of rules documented by the people on how to lead. All the rules and regulations in this said document must be determined by the people being lead, in other words there must be no input from any higher leader or anybody else. In Lord of the Flies, the rules and regulations for the leader lie in the fact that they all have the same socioeconomic class, and no kid is much better in any way, therefore the leader physically cannot rule like a dictator because the kids would never listen. 

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Post by morgan w Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:25 am

Princes should not be allowed to rule without restrictions, as too much leniency can cause a rapacious mentality which can negatively impact a society. If given carte blanche, the unlimited power could easily corrupt a leader. Ralph shows responsibility and initiative on the island, which makes him the leader figure. He has limited power, as the other boys on the island with leader-like personalities may contradict Ralph's being the sole figure in charge.

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Post by Lou Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:29 am

How does Ralph lose control of the boys? I think he has their resopecet and attention.

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Post by MorganJ Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:10 am

Princes should not have open hands when dealing with certain matters. There should be checks and balances on the amount of power one person can have. Without others controlling the amount of power one man may have, that man is capable of taking complete control and abusing his power. In The Lord of the Flies, Ralph and Jack share power. Ralph has a quieter, gentler nature while Jack has a more extravagant, decisive nature. The two seem to balance each other out and provide two sides of great leaders. It is important that one boy does not gain more control than the other or else a tyranny of one boy may ensue. Jack believes he alone should be ruler and does not think about sharing the position. Arrogantly, Jack says, "I ought to be chief...because I'm chapter chorister and head boy" (Golding 22). Jack shows signs of a tyrannical dictator who only wants power. However, Ralph is voted to be leader of the boys while Jack is leader of his choir boys. Together they balance each other out and one person does not have all the power.

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Post by DezC Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:12 am

There should be a balance of course there is nothing wrong with having open hands as a leader that means the leader is likely open minded. It can also even be helpful at time to have a small council to help with big decision allowing there to a balance as well as a different prospective from others. When it comes to rulings restrictions are necessary so that things run smooth. In Lord of the Flies Ralph is in charge but he doesn't let the power get to his head as he is willing to listen to his peers. Ralph hold s meeting and establishes some ground rules" We ought to have more rules" and by setting a good example as a leader he allows other to follow and support him as Piggy speaks up and says" I agree with Ralph. We've got to have rules and obey them." So by being opened minded and having restriction he looking out for everyone and setting a good example of how to be a leader.

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Post by @rishi Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:18 am

You make a good point that in order to have a leader the people should want to be led. In Lord of the Flies the boys have a desire to be led which is why they vote on a leader right away. In the situation of Lord of the Flies there was a conflict of everyone wanting to be a leader or being power hungry. you also made a good point on restrictions because in order for those restrictions to be obeyed the people do need to play their role and speak up.

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Post by DezC Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:18 am

You make a good point that in order to have a leader the people should want to be led. In Lord of the Flies the boys have a desire to be led which is why they vote on a leader right away. In the situation of Lord of the Flies there was a conflict of everyone wanting to be a leader or being power hungry. you also made a good point on restrictions because in order for those restrictions to be obeyed the people do need to play their role and speak up.

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